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Post by tontb on May 8, 2010 18:52:54 GMT -5
Evening Gents,
This fight is broadcast on Sky Sports tonight and I'm debating whether to get a few hours shut eye and get up and give it a watch. I think it has the makings of a good fight!
I've also slammed a bit of money on Williams to win by points, though a t/ko victory was the shorter odds!
What do you guys think the outcome is??
I mayeb overlooking Cintron abit. He has power, does he have the skills to use that power effectively against Williams and score a shock t/ko??
I don't see him outpointing the punisher by any means. Is it likely that Williams stops Cintron?
Over to you gents.
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Post by tontb on May 9, 2010 4:53:13 GMT -5
Well I'm glad I only caught the replay! What an absolute joke! How can they just change and amend the rules so tha Williams got the win? The sky sports team called it a farce and were all appauled!
Cintron doesn't deserve another loss on his record for that! And as much as Williams is a world class boxer, he doesn't deserve preferential treatment!
The only bonus for me is I won the points decision win, but I'd rather have lost my bet in fairness! This type of thing doesn't help the corrupt aspect of our sport! If this was high profile it could be damaging. Boxing is fastly becoming an even bigger joke than it is already portrayed as!
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Post by billyc on May 9, 2010 10:53:53 GMT -5
Already I am getting emails about this. A lot of people are blaming Cintron, but for me, watching on TV, I thought he WANTED to get up, but the doc's wouldn't let him. DaveMa was ringside, so tune into Monday's show to see what he thinks....I just hope he wasn't shitfaced again and remembers the fight! (KIDDING). To be honest....on my score card going right to the point at which it all happened...I had the fight even. To Give Williams the win was wrong and I am starting to think he is not as good as we think...especially if we look at his last three fights (inc Sat nights).....
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Post by mh2365 on May 9, 2010 10:58:26 GMT -5
I had it 3-0 Williams but I had the feeling Cintron was going to catch him and win the fight ... it should have been a no contest
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Post by davemurphy on May 9, 2010 14:23:06 GMT -5
California, who's Commission continues to astound me, certainly has some screwed up thinking if 3 Rds completed constitutes anything more than a No Contest. Speculation about whether Kermit wanted to continue or not are mute to me, it was not his call and to be honest he hit hard on that monitor and without further examination there's no telling the actual damage. He might've been at further risk without even knowing it himself.
I'm EXTREMELY disappointed that some cynics are so jaded that they suggest he wasn't injured at all but faking, knowing he'd get another payday for a rematch. I had Williams ahead 2-1 but from a strategic standpoint, KC was getting the fight that he wanted, and to say that he prefered a possible 2nd payday to a chance to win does him a genuine disservice. Worse yet, I heard a few idiots say he was "doing a Dirrell" like it was just another in a long line of fakes of some sort. When did some fans become such cynical assholes that they aren't willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt on anything?
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Post by davemurphy on May 9, 2010 14:30:09 GMT -5
I had predicted a KO 4 and that Williams would come out on fire and wanting to prove a point would get Cintron out of there early. I think even though it was an abbreviated fight, that I was shown to be wrong on that count. He DID start fast but even though he landed some sharp blows, Cintron took them and landed some of his own, and the one thing I take away from this is that Paul Williams DIDN'T dominate like I had expected. I still think he's a good fighter, but I'm starting to rethink the idea that he is "special".
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Post by dallen on May 9, 2010 15:32:42 GMT -5
Davemurphy,another farce with the suits who are in control of the fight game,changing rules as they go along.Referee gives one decision next moment the suits say they fought under different rules,no wonder boxing is becoming a minority sport.And as reported two judges had the fight scored 4.0 to each fighter,what the fu@~ are they watching the ring girls. And the ring ropes should have been checked by the referee before the fight,it was obvious that they were to slack even on the tv screen.My take on the whole, people in charge of putting this show and the commission should hang their heads in shame.
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Post by davemurphy on May 9, 2010 18:12:38 GMT -5
David- The Ropes WERE too loose, and we're left to wonder whether it was just simple incompetence or worse yet, their being that way to benefit the taller, lankier fighter and we both know who that is. That's right, the one with the California promoter.
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Post by mh2365 on May 10, 2010 1:28:47 GMT -5
someone on another board claimed Cintron threw himself out of the ring on purpose ... just goes to show you how great this board is ....
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Post by billyc on May 10, 2010 4:08:45 GMT -5
I got SEVERAL emails that said that Cintron threw himself out of the ring! I thought it was the doctor...not Cintron...but I also am not too keen on how Williams is talking about it...like there was NO DOUBT that he won the fight....that is BS....the fight was even at the time of the stoppage AND it had really been non-eventful to that point.
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Post by tontb on May 10, 2010 5:24:33 GMT -5
Billy that really annoyed me too. Williams could have been a bit more gracious at the end and stated it shouldn't have been a decision win! I know boxers have ego's and that, but alot of them lack general humility.
Mike, I only really bother with the BBC 606 boxing forum outside of this one, but I have been avoiding it LOADS recently after the Froch fight. But I've seen plenty on there say Cintron flung himself out of the ropes. Some people piss me off! Whatever way you try and factor what happened, it makes no sense he jumped out intentionally! Especially when he has a fraction of a second to react.
That ribbon around the ring ropes was a joke! They all need to be tied together rope to rope.
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Post by davemurphy on May 10, 2010 15:07:25 GMT -5
The Doctor with the Blue Coat on got to Cintron within a couple seconds and he kept his hands on Cintron the entire time until he was buckled to the Stretcher......but yet I still heard someone asking on a Forum "if he says he could continue, how come he never tried to sit up?". I think it's like a conspiracy theory, there's nothing Kermit Cintron will be able to do to convince some "geniuses" that he didn't dive out of the Ring. Despite the fact he was certainly in the fight, desperately needed the win for his career, and has no guarantee that he'd get a rematch/2nd payday automatically.
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Post by tontb on May 10, 2010 16:15:50 GMT -5
He can at least become Kermit "The Frog" Cintron now, since we all know he likes to take a leap! Sorry, I'll get my coat.....
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Post by blakely on May 20, 2010 23:50:06 GMT -5
imo none of that stuff mattered. cintron fell down and couldn't continue. he loses by tko. it's no different than breaking your leg during a fight. you have to continue or you lose.
the whole "go to the cards" rule is for accidental fouls. did i miss the foul?
pretty soon we'll have rulings that a fighter was too TIRED to continue, so we go to the scorecards.
tont, i though williams was way TOO gracious. he had to stop the guy to get a split decision.
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Post by blakely on May 21, 2010 0:25:43 GMT -5
you know what i just realized? this is the second time cintron has been ko'd and was still given a chance to win on points! he was actually counted out when he fought sergio martinez and then he got a draw! what's up with that???
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