well, i'm always about 2 weeks late to jump in, but...
there's a vid on youtube subtitling what mercante seems to be saying to foreman. he tells him to walk it off instead of asking if he can continue. he seems to be telling foreman to "go that way" to avoid moving on the hurt leg. he wasn't being neutral at all. if he's not going to allow the corner to stop the fight, it should be because he has a better view of the fighter, and he doesn't think the fighter is hurt--not because he's fighting a good fight, or he deserves a chance to win.
also, what's up with giving a hurt fighter time to recover? this is happening ALL THE TIME. i can understand giving the fighter time to recover from an accidental foul, like a low blow. but if the fighter slips because of bad balance or previous injuries, why would he get time to recover? fighter 1 is putting pressure on fighter 2 all night. fighter 2 gets tired and falls. the ref gives fighter 2 five minutes to rest. so if you're getting beat up, you can fall down (or fall through the ropes) and get time to rest!
Post by davemurphy on Jun 19, 2010 20:04:08 GMT -5
Blakely- There's no such thing as a time out to recover from an injury, only a foul. This clearly ISN'T the result of a foul, so his stopping the fight was unfair to Cotto. I read a comment from Keith Kizer the Nevada Commissioner where he also didn't seem to know the Rules (even while questioning Mercante's call). Kizer says "the fight should have been stopped immediately upon the knee injury suffered by Yuri Foreman, and then they should have gone to the scorecards to determine the winner".
WRONG, and this is from a guy who's the head of what's supposedly the best Commision in the Country. You NEVER go to the scorecards on an injury, the accidental headbutt being the ONLY exception. You hurt a hand, arm, shoulder, etc. and can't continue? You LOSE by DQ, it's as plain as it can be in the Rules. For the guy in Charge of some of our most important fights to be mistaken on a point that major is astounding, and shows once again that we don't have Boxing people supervising Boxing, but instead only have Politicial Hacks.
i'm glad you pointed that out, dave. i really wish people would get the rules right in terms of time to recover and when to go to the scorecards. it's just not fair.
i thought you would lose by TKO if you couldn't continue, so that's interesting to me that it's actually a DQ.
Actually, I was so angry at Kizer's comments that I MEANT to write TKO and not DQ Just amazing that he thinks you go to the scorecards for a knee injury.
But the important thing to remember out of all this is that there's NO Timeout to recover from an Injury not resulting from a Foul. Giving him time to "walk it off" was against the Rules, it's a pause for a Yes or No question and then the fight resumes or it doesn't. It's not something within the Referee's descrition, it's pretty firm. That people praised him for violating the rules, just because they wanted to see the fight continue is somewhat disappointing, but Kizer not knowing the Rules is even more disappointing.
Post by Londonerryan on Nov 29, 2010 2:25:19 GMT -5
First of all, i thought OK to let it continue however the corner should've been the one telling their fighter "You can't even stand on your leg properly". After the round where Mercante jr asks him if he's ok and whether he can continue, the corner let's him come back to the corner and still sends him out for another round THEN throws in the towel. I didn't understand why they even sent him back out.
Murphy posted a great compilation of Mercante jr's biggest mistakes in the boxing ring on our old boxingbb but can't find the same video now.
I did find these two though. He's s guy reknown for being incompetent: