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Post by davemurphy on Jul 16, 2010 10:29:43 GMT -5
Well, today's the big deadline when we get to find out what Arum's going to do for Pacquaio rather than making the Mayweather fight. It appears that both sides are going to let Roger's Trial be the excuse for the fight not happening, and we'll listen to this crap for the rest of the Fall about the "Fight in May".
I've heard enough, and I also couldn't care if Pac faces Cotto again in the Rematch Nobody wants to see, or if they go back and take another run at Margarito's Nevada License and get it "untabled". At this point, I really AM beyond caring, and beyond listening too.
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Post by duane on Jul 16, 2010 13:11:01 GMT -5
I stop caring bout this fight a long time ago. I'm at the point where it just makes me mad now.
Besides, both these guys have been propisitioned to fight Paul Williams anyway... Needless to say, neither guy wants any part of Paul. Wanna prove your great? Fight a freak of natrue like Paul. He's always willing to fight. It's not like Manny and Floyd don't have the skill to beat 'em. That's more of a test than either one of them could give each other. Paul's too long for Floyd to run away from him. And Paul acually throws more punches than Manny.
Man, forget Manny and Floyd! There are better fights out there than this.
Paul Williams has his faults but if the guy can still make 147, he posses a big threat to the both of them.
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 16, 2010 17:21:05 GMT -5
I think it is funny that all the news we are getting is from Bob Arum and the Pac Man fans are acting like it is gospel .... remember this guy thinks Margarito was innocent so believe him at your own risk....
As for Paul Williams, he got his ass kicked by Sergio Martinez ... Manny would take him apart inside 3 to 4 rounds, and Money would win 11 out of 12 rounds against him.
Williams is quite possibly the most overrated boxer in the sport right now. Esp. at 147 since he used that as an excuse in his first fight with Quintana.
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Post by davemurphy on Jul 17, 2010 10:03:10 GMT -5
I think it is funny that all the news we are getting is from Bob Arum and the Pac Man fans are acting like it is gospel .... remember this guy thinks Margarito was innocent so believe him at your own risk.... As for Paul Williams, he got his ass kicked by Sergio Martinez ... Manny would take him apart inside 3 to 4 rounds, and Money would win 11 out of 12 rounds against him. Williams is quite possibly the most overrated boxer in the sport right now. Esp. at 147 since he used that as an excuse in his first fight with Quintana. Such an easy fight for both, I guess that's why they've both avoided him, right Mike? Simply not a challenge, I guess I thought he just edged Matinez myself but it was close, I can't see a case being made for it being a Ass Kicking. I also thought the first fight excuse for Quintana was bouyed by the quick work in the second. I'm surprised you dislike Williams so much.
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Post by billyc on Jul 17, 2010 11:18:39 GMT -5
Martinez DID beat Williams on my card....but he is a freak...size, power, speed and yes, even defense....To me, this is CLEARLY Floyd not wanting to fight Pac....then again, he likes to control whats going to happen, so look for the fight, if it doens't happen to happen in Ealry 2011. It has to...otherwise Floyd will always be remembered as DUCKING pac...it is THAT simple.
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 17, 2010 18:17:24 GMT -5
I would need to hear a story about the Pac/Money negotiations that site a source other than Bob Arum before I place blame ... but if and it is a Grand Canyon size if, Arum isn't lying then sure it will look as if Mayweather is ducking him ... just like it looks like Pac was a unclean fighter for pulling out of the first fight.
I used to like Williams until everyone turned him into something he is not. He is an above average fighter but nothing real special. He was special at 147 because he was 6'1" and really that was it. Since he has moved up he has had problems in nearly every fight.
Cintron was ahead IMO when the fight ended. Martinez dropped him and beat him all around the ring, unfortunately Martinez took his usual 4 rounds off and it cost him. IMO Pavlik KO's Williams early. My point about the Quintana fight is that Williams used the weight as an excuse for the loss but now he claims he can make 147 easily to fight either guy?
So my whole opinion on the PBF/Pac negotiations is that Arum is using the press to make it appear Floyd doesn't want to fight when both camps agreed not to use the press. Arum wants Pac to fight an Arum fighter plain and simple. That is why you hear Margarito/Cotto and not Bradley, Alexander, Maidana, or Khan.
It is funny that Arum is a flat out liar when it comes to everything else but if it has anything to do with Floyd then it is like the word of the Lord ... no way Arum would ever lie.
Humors the shit out of me ...
also if it is a Cotto rematch then hopefully the Cotto camp is smart enough to say the fight is at 154 with no catch weight bullshit this time ... either way still an easy win for Pac ...
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Post by billyc on Jul 18, 2010 7:57:42 GMT -5
Mike...face it man....Your boy Mayweather doesn't want to fight Pac! He wants his 0 too much and Pac is legit and its too risky for Floyd. Its that simple man! Otherwise...he would fight. He is just as bad as Haye! At least Haye doesn't say he is the beat of ALL time like Floyd says (thinks....). There comes a time when you either put up or shut up. I think I would even like him just to come out and say he doesn't want to fight pac...that would be better than this BS. No matter how much you like him, think he would win and whatever else, he is NOT coming forward and fighting the best guy out there and for that, I think he is a clown.
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 18, 2010 13:08:51 GMT -5
Now that I am reading about Floyd wanting to see what happens with Roger I see the fight happening next year. It is a legit reason not to fight, unlike "needles scare Manny".
Of course if Floyd takes another fight instead then yes he just doesn't want to fight Manny.
Still all the news is coming from Arum who I've heard numerous people on the radio and numerous people in posts call a flat out liar several times. Of course when it comes to the Manny nuthugger news he is 100% truthful.
Hilarious ... at the end of the day if Manny's camp wasn't scared of drug tests the fight would have already taken place.
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Post by billyc on Jul 18, 2010 13:44:17 GMT -5
I am not sure about that Mike....Floyd doesn't want to fight the BEST fighters...only the beat-able ones!
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 18, 2010 14:57:28 GMT -5
Funny though how both sides agreed to keep the negotiations out of the media and Arum is only talking to the media. Arum doesn't want the fight ... he can make more money having Manny fight safe Arum fighters than he can fighting Floyd.
Once again let's here some news from someone other than Arum before accusing anyone
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Post by billyc on Jul 18, 2010 15:13:41 GMT -5
OK Mike. You keep thinking what you want. Its cool. Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. All I know is when I look at the records, now or when I do ten years from now, I will see that Pac fought the best he could...the best that were there. Your boy can not say the same thing...or let me say it in another way...you and him will think he did but the rest of the boxing world will think otherwise. Just like Haye, Mayweather talks but doesn't back it up. YOU of all people should get that! We can let it go at that.
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 18, 2010 16:48:17 GMT -5
First time the fight didn't happen because Manny's people didn't want him to take a drug test ... that is what will be remembered. The fight would have happened already if Manny's people thought he could pass a drug test.
So then in the meantime, Manny took on a very limited Arum fighter and Floyd took on the Ring WW champion. Floyd won more convincingly against the better fighter and outsold Manny in the PPV ring.
Floyd should make him wait ... but my point is we don't know exactly what is going on. The only thing we do know is Bob Arum's side of the story and normally you would be laughing at that but people just seem to hate Floyd so much that they are even willing to believe every word that comes out of Arum's mouth.
Once again the only news about the fight is coming from Bob Arum ... no where else. Floyd's side is honoring their deal not to discuss it with the media.
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Post by billyc on Jul 19, 2010 4:19:19 GMT -5
Floyd HAS come out and said he does not want to fight Pac....it was (is) on ESPN. I do think people will remember HIM not fighting Pac....but I could be wrong.
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 19, 2010 15:21:28 GMT -5
So you took his basically "no comment" as him saying he doesn't want to fight Pac ... hilarious. So he won't answer Bob Arum's deadline ... would you?
He gave in on every aspect of the fight the first time and Arum/Roach were afraid of a drug test ... he went on to beat a better fighter and draw more PPV #'s so exactly why would he wet himself over a Bob Arum deadline?
I love that the Mayweather side is honoring the deal they had not to negotiate in the press and the Pac Nuthugger's are falling all over themselves with what Bob Arum is saying.
Mayweather's words were
"I'm not really thinking about boxing right now," Mayweather said. "I'm just relaxing. I fought about 60 days ago, so I'm just enjoying myself, enjoying life, enjoying my family and enjoying my vacation."
Not sure how that gets translated into "I don't want to fight Pac" ... but okay.
The fight will happen next spring ... Mayweather will make Pac wait for it just like Pac did in March of this year. Pac's camp made a BS excuse last time and failed to better their position. Mayweather should make them wait.
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 19, 2010 17:58:54 GMT -5
Interesting ... Jeff Mayweather has said that Arum isn't being exactly honest (what? OMG Arum not being honest, say it ain't so Joe) because Manny has not agreed to everything, mainly drug testing.
So now it appears that once again Manny not wanting random drug testing will cause this fight not to happen.
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