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Post by billyc on Aug 16, 2010 11:58:55 GMT -5
Murh, What makes you think he was scoring the rounds in his head? Did I miss something? Did he say that? I think the bottom line is you need to do what the corner tells you. They make the adjustments and the fighter needs to follow them. A fighter goes into a fight with a game plan. When and if the plan is not working, you need to adjust. When his corner saw him slipping away....they told him...jab...jab....jab....why are you not jabbing? When he did, he won the rounds. Chad's problem is that the lack of work against real opposition (in thier prime) is what hurt him in this fight. He seemed like Pascal was "supposed to be beaten" when he should of been thinking "I need to beat Pascal". Another over-rated fighter in my book. Now we say....who has he fought? a 40 year old Johnson...TWICE? A 40 year old Tarver, who really was never THAT good anyway...he had ONE punch that made his career, TWICE? Come on Fellas!
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Post by Daxx on Aug 16, 2010 13:34:39 GMT -5
Guys- I think if Chad Dawson made one mistake it was this, he was scoring the Rounds in his own head, not just fighting them. I truely believe that when he'd back off as Pascal once again showed him some resistance and was going to survive, he would mentally Bank the Round in his favor. He fell in love with his own 30 second spurts, didn't seem to realize that Pascal shots that didn't actually hurt him still score points, and most of all (ABOVE ALL ELSE) when you worry about the "Zero" and measure off what you think is just enough to win, you can fool yourself. I don't know if he was scoring rounds in hisw head like Billy said but I do think he was doing enough to win the rounds....Funny thing with Pascal is the way he leaps in throws a combo then leaps out....If you were fighting him it may make you feel as though he is only fighting in spurts so he is not winning...Pascal also was missing a large amount of the shots when he lept in...Now if you are dawson you may be thinking the judges are seeing what you already know....BUT how many fighters in the past have thought that and lost EG DLH/Trinidad Oscar thought he had it then got lazy the last 3 rds....Dawson also seem to get disgruntled after a while I think he was hoping to have a showcase of his talents...He looked even on the ring walk he did not want to be there.....He did not look to be the best Dawson as far as being in shape I have ever seen....Then the shoulder thing supposedly...I got something in my email today about the excuses I mean reasons for his performance to tell the truth after the 10th one listed I said the hell with this and just deleted it...I mean it even blamed his corner..... Billy said it best and I said it best above and I said it many times before the fight....Dawson spent too much time fighting Johnson and Tarver be it his fault of not in 2 yrs he had 4 fights 2 and 2....in the last 2 he looked happy enough just to win and not perform at his best.... The kid has all the talent in the world but he just let nthis fight go...Like I also said before it seems to be a habit with the guys from NE over the last few years....Mike Oliver, Jose Rivera....They taste the top or near tyhe top for a minute then it all falls apart for them
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 16, 2010 16:22:44 GMT -5
Yeah, in the Post Fight Press Conference, the Excuses were flowing like Water, I quit trying to sort all of them out and keep it straight, and just like SO MANY of todays fighters, each time it led off with "I'm not taking anything away from Jean Pascal BUT..........." or "Canada is Great Country and I love it's Fans BUT................". Just give your excuses without the qualifiers, PLEASE!!!!!
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Post by billyc on Aug 17, 2010 4:12:24 GMT -5
Why bother? A MAN would just say, he was the better man tonight. I hope to turn the tables next time out and who knows, maybe we can settle it with a third fight! I think its funny anyway. What FORCES Pascal to fight him anyway? The IBO doesn't do that. The WBC was Pascal's belt and the Ring doesnt do it either. A contract? LOL....since when do they abide by that? If I am Pascal.......I DEF take another fight or two before the rematch.
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 17, 2010 4:18:35 GMT -5
Why bother? A MAN would just say, he was the better man tonight. I hope to turn the tables next time out and who knows, maybe we can settle it with a third fight! I think its funny anyway. What FORCES Pascal to fight him anyway? The IBO doesn't do that. The WBC was Pascal's belt and the Ring doesnt do it either. A contract? LOL....since when do they abide by that? If I am Pascal.......I DEF take another fight or two before the rematch. Hey, if I'm him then I fight Bute at home in the biggest fight in the history of Canada, and Chad can just wait till he gets around to the guys who can't sell tickets
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Post by tontb on Aug 17, 2010 9:16:18 GMT -5
Quite gutted I missed this fight, as its been the biggest one in a while and a shock result. I'm really impressed with how Pascal has bounced back from the Froch defeat, one he may very well have got the nod as well. Solid, all action fighter. He won many fans that night in Nottingham, and it looks as though he continues to do so.
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Post by macman on Aug 17, 2010 11:16:50 GMT -5
Why bother? A MAN would just say, he was the better man tonight. I hope to turn the tables next time out and who knows, maybe we can settle it with a third fight! I think its funny anyway. What FORCES Pascal to fight him anyway? The IBO doesn't do that. The WBC was Pascal's belt and the Ring doesnt do it either. A contract? LOL....since when do they abide by that? If I am Pascal.......I DEF take another fight or two before the rematch. That's the thing that galled me most about Dawson in this particular scuffle -- he acted like a flippin' spoiled brat. The fact of the matter is, he got his butt kicked. Even with the 11th round Dawson flurry that seemed to have stunned Pascal, there's not a snowball's chance in hell that he would have taken Dawson down. But the thing is, the way Chad looked while sitting on his stool after the stoppage -- I swear, he looked like a petulant child who just had his lollipop taken from him. Look - the guy didn't throw, period. BC has it right - he doesn't listen to his corner. Had he let his jab go, he wins the fight. Those forward-lunges of Pascal, while visually impressive to the crowd, were NOT effective. And what's more, that wild jumping in that Pascal did SHOULD have been countered by Dawson - he should have figured out how to adjust to those lunges and used them to his advantage. But he didn't. Fact is, he didn't do much of anything. Me, I think his training regime needs a BIG overhaul, as does his career direction.
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Post by billyc on Aug 17, 2010 11:34:32 GMT -5
Like I keep saying....he is only as good as the opposition he has faced....and before Pascal, it was four fights with 40+ fighters. EVEN the best ones...at 40 and over....you slow down. Dawson was a victim of his own doing....in this case, listening to all the "yes men" around him. His corner should have smacked him around a bit! In the old days, if a fighter was doing bad or not listening, her trainer would smack him in the face a few times.....the thought here was to make sure all was clear.....but in some cases, I bet after they KNEW they were ding bad during a round....they HATED to go to the corner for more punishment! LOL.... in all, Dawson didn't do what he was told.
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Post by mh2365 on Aug 17, 2010 17:37:23 GMT -5
Pathetic how his handlers and Chad acted after the fight ... while I thought the fight was much closer because I don't think Pascal landed very much or did much more than Chad he was just flashier doing it and had a crowd that roared whenever he swung and missed.
You are only as classy as you are in a loss (i.e. Danny Jacobs after his loss to Pirog) and Chad wasn't very classy.
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 17, 2010 18:21:15 GMT -5
Pathetic how his handlers and Chad acted after the fight ... while I thought the fight was much closer because I don't think Pascal landed very much or did much more than Chad he was just flashier doing it and had a crowd that roared whenever he swung and missed. You are only as classy as you are in a loss (i.e. Danny Jacobs after his loss to Pirog) and Chad wasn't very classy. I agree, Mike. The harm from the loss was minimal IMO. Sure it was a disappointing effort, but nothing more than say Paul Williams had against Quintana (very similar as a matter of fact)and easy to bounce back from, in fact I beleive I'd still make Dawson the favorite in a Rematch. But the Sour Grapes are VERY hard to put back into the Refrigerator after they've been taken out and seen. The REAL Harm was NOT losing to a talented fighter on the Road in what wasn't really all that bad a fight, it paled in comparison to what followed in the interview and Press conference.
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Post by mh2365 on Aug 17, 2010 21:30:04 GMT -5
Agree 100% ... Dawson should have just said I didn't have it tonight and I look forward to the rematch.
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 18, 2010 17:07:59 GMT -5
Agree 100% ... Dawson should have just said I didn't have it tonight and I look forward to the rematch. It was amazing to watch not just him, but his Team (who are supposed to be the ones with experience and helping out here in uncharted territory following the first loss) just sinking further and further into quicksand the more they talked. The Press Conference where Jean Pascal was talking to him about how you overcome a loss like he did with Froch and come back even stronger, was like listening to someone explaining something to a friggin' kid. He's supposedly 28 years old, but came across like a spoiled teenager.
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