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Post by Daxx on Aug 12, 2010 14:44:40 GMT -5
Whats to opinions on him? I have only seen 3 or so of his bouts but the guy is EXCITING!!! Though he fights only in Germany thus far but the times I could catch him he just pummled the hell out of his opp...Granted they were no world beaters (As if there are many of those in the HW division) but still....
He is a young guy with a good punch....Seems to be an in shape fighter because times I have seen him he was looking in prime condition....
Anyone know more on him? I seen the Maddalone fight ( Man Vinny is not much of a fighter but he is exciting..Its all or nothing for him) Bidenko and Montiy......Is he something to watch for in the future or is he just a homegrown product that will fade when he leaves the nest
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 12, 2010 14:49:21 GMT -5
He needs some serious work, and I've actually been happy that his people have chosen to allow him the time, rather than doing what Povetkin's Team has done and rushing to a point where they have to throw on the Brakes. I don't see him as just a protected product, I think there's some real potential there, but he's a project that will just take time.
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Post by Daxx on Aug 12, 2010 16:26:43 GMT -5
Well thats a good thing, having a camp that knows that work needs to be put in, the whole Povetkin thing is CRAZY, I mean they get to a title shot then just stopped short realizing what they had done was a mistake.....In hindsight he has been pro going on 6 years now and with the HW division the way it is he could of had one long ago... At least they realized it beforte the potential beatdown that would have ensued if the fight took place. It is good to know you have a camp that will put things on hold for the sake of your career rather then the mistake made so often...perhaps GREED is a bvetter term when it comes to take a title shot any title shot.....
I remember Fernando Vargas told me one time in an interview that they ruined him as a fighter by putting him in so early with the big names, he said though he was winning they nhad me in too many wars and I could have learned so much more and had such a longer career with less injuries and damage to myself
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Post by billyc on Aug 12, 2010 17:18:01 GMT -5
I like Boytsov...I think he will make some noise...but he may be a bit too small for the Klits.
As for Povt...in the HW division, a shot at a World Title basically means a million dollars, or more. He was going to get over 2 1/2. EVEN if he was not ready, it makes sense to take the fight. You never know during the fight....you go in not letting anyone get hurt...and EVEN if you lose....with the division the way it is, you will DEF get another crack at a World Title. Look at Chris Arreola. WHEN he wins tomorrow....he will get another shot, as will Chagaev, Chambers and Holyfield....EVEN PETER is who we all said was done 18 months ago! As good and caring as it make his team look by passing it by....I think it was a mistake. I am sure there are some that say he was scared and I am sure he could use an extra 1 million clear.
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Post by Daxx on Aug 12, 2010 18:09:06 GMT -5
I like Boytsov...I think he will make some noise...but he may be a bit too small for the Klits. As for Povt...in the HW division, a shot at a World Title basically means a million dollars, or more. He was going to get over 2 1/2. EVEN if he was not ready, it makes sense to take the fight. You never know during the fight....you go in not letting anyone get hurt...and EVEN if you lose....with the division the way it is, you will DEF get another crack at a World Title. Look at Chris Arreola. WHEN he wins tomorrow....he will get another shot, as will Chagaev, Chambers and Holyfield....EVEN PETER is who we all said was done 18 months ago! As good and caring as it make his team look by passing it by....I think it was a mistake. I am sure there are some that say he was scared and I am sure he could use an extra 1 million clear. No its not worth it though if he has a fragile mindset and his team knows it....You know as well as I do that a loss can effect the mind more then the body....We all know that a loss that is one sided can really effect some guys.... Anyone remember John Mugabi?...Going into the Hagler fight he was what 26-0 with 26 knockouts and after the beating (Though the fight was back and forth for most of what it lasted)....Mugabi wass never the same... Edison Miranda is anothert example...After the Pavlik loss he was a changed fighter |
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 13, 2010 5:47:55 GMT -5
I like Boytsov...I think he will make some noise...but he may be a bit too small for the Klits. As for Povt...in the HW division, a shot at a World Title basically means a million dollars, or more. He was going to get over 2 1/2. EVEN if he was not ready, it makes sense to take the fight. You never know during the fight....you go in not letting anyone get hurt...and EVEN if you lose....with the division the way it is, you will DEF get another crack at a World Title. Look at Chris Arreola. WHEN he wins tomorrow....he will get another shot, as will Chagaev, Chambers and Holyfield....EVEN PETER is who we all said was done 18 months ago! As good and caring as it make his team look by passing it by....I think it was a mistake. I am sure there are some that say he was scared and I am sure he could use an extra 1 million clear. We still keep seeing the smallish HW's playing a role, do you guys think that Lennox and the K2's really DID usher in a new Era or are they just an anomoly, a few extra athletic taller men that just happened to show up on the scene close to the same period? I'm not sure, just getting opinions. As for Arreola, when I heard 256 pounds, I just ROLLED MY EYES. Yeah, that fits about right with the interview ESPN did a couple weeks ago when he was "buckling down and getting serious". Same old Song and Dance about changing his ways. |
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Post by Daxx on Aug 13, 2010 9:55:13 GMT -5
I like Boytsov...I think he will make some noise...but he may be a bit too small for the Klits. As for Povt...in the HW division, a shot at a World Title basically means a million dollars, or more. He was going to get over 2 1/2. EVEN if he was not ready, it makes sense to take the fight. You never know during the fight....you go in not letting anyone get hurt...and EVEN if you lose....with the division the way it is, you will DEF get another crack at a World Title. Look at Chris Arreola. WHEN he wins tomorrow....he will get another shot, as will Chagaev, Chambers and Holyfield....EVEN PETER is who we all said was done 18 months ago! As good and caring as it make his team look by passing it by....I think it was a mistake. I am sure there are some that say he was scared and I am sure he could use an extra 1 million clear. We still keep seeing the smallish HW's playing a role, do you guys think that Lennox and the K2's really DID usher in a new Era or are they just an anomoly, a few extra athletic taller men that just happened to show up on the scene close to the same period? I'm not sure, just getting opinions. As for Arreola, when I heard 256 pounds, I just ROLLED MY EYES. Yeah, that fits about right with the interview ESPN did a couple weeks ago when he was "buckling down and getting serious". Same old Song and Dance about changing his ways. I think it just happened to be an odd moment when all these big heavyies popped up...The Klitschko's LL, Grant, Valuev etc..... Thing is and even historey has proven it most giant heavyweights are not skilled fighters!!!!....I mean the Klitschkos and Billys man Lennox are the exceptions.....Vitali is the only one to ever prove an IRON chin... |
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 13, 2010 12:22:15 GMT -5
We still keep seeing the smallish HW's playing a role, do you guys think that Lennox and the K2's really DID usher in a new Era or are they just an anomoly, a few extra athletic taller men that just happened to show up on the scene close to the same period? I'm not sure, just getting opinions. As for Arreola, when I heard 256 pounds, I just ROLLED MY EYES. Yeah, that fits about right with the interview ESPN did a couple weeks ago when he was "buckling down and getting serious". Same old Song and Dance about changing his ways. I think it just happened to be an odd moment when all these big heavyies popped up...The Klitschko's LL, Grant, Valuev etc..... Thing is and even historey has proven it most giant heavyweights are not skilled fighters!!!!....I mean the Klitschkos and Billys man Lennox are the exceptions.....Vitali is the only one to ever prove an IRON chin... Yeah, they've pretty much been lumbering HW's of the Primo Carnera mold when we've seen them down through the years, very very slow. One that was kind of odd (and mentioning Lennox made me think of him) and that was Henry Akinwande, who was 6 ft 8 and kind of gangly, but not without some skill, even though against Lewis he was Akinwande the Octopus  |
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Post by Daxx on Aug 13, 2010 18:01:07 GMT -5
I think it just happened to be an odd moment when all these big heavyies popped up...The Klitschko's LL, Grant, Valuev etc..... Thing is and even historey has proven it most giant heavyweights are not skilled fighters!!!!....I mean the Klitschkos and Billys man Lennox are the exceptions.....Vitali is the only one to ever prove an IRON chin... Yeah, they've pretty much been lumbering HW's of the Primo Carnera mold when we've seen them down through the years, very very slow. One that was kind of odd (and mentioning Lennox made me think of him) and that was Henry Akinwande, who was 6 ft 8 and kind of gangly, but not without some skill, even though against Lewis he was Akinwande the Octopus I forgot about Henry......Yeah he was a decent frighter nothing special but had some skill I agree....I thought more of himk then Grant thats for sure....But he endedf up another one of LL victims and was exposed when he faced the Last Great Heavyweight |
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 14, 2010 12:56:30 GMT -5
Yeah, I thought Akinwande just needed someone to show him how to handle different situations and not just jab and keep the opponent on the end of it, which didn't work on Lennox. He was an example of a fighter that had been shown one way, and one way only, and then had no Plan B. Kind of an example of what we were talking about with regard to fighting the same TYPE of opponent over and over and over again,building a record but not a fighter.
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Post by Daxx on Aug 14, 2010 21:15:02 GMT -5
Well the Russian Ogre Valuev is the same thing...He has that lumbering jb (If thats what you want to call it) then a slow right you can make a phone call before it reaches you...Oncve what he does is noty working then they have nothing to resort to as plan B.....In truth it is a dis-advantage to be so large for the most part the body has limited co-ordination and can only execute one thing at a time with little ability to physically adjust on a dime
In my opinion the ideal Heavyweight is 6'3-6'4" 230-245lbs....Solid but not musclebound...Not going to be dwarfed by anyone but having a slight size advantage then most
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Post by mh2365 on Aug 14, 2010 21:32:48 GMT -5
Was very disappointed in Arreola last night ... like Billy said he just looked done ...
add hand problems into his lack of training and I doubt he will be a title contender ever again
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 15, 2010 11:59:36 GMT -5
Yeah, when we got all this talk about the "Super Sized Heavyweights" that were all going to be 6 ft 7 or taller and dominate the scene, it reminds me of when Taller Guards were going to become the NBA Standard. No, it was just a case where here a few exceptions became dominant, but those talents DON'T grow on Trees. I hate to break the news to the those who blame tha added size, but the K2's win because they're in shape and skilled.
Valuev when he first came along was HORRIBLE. He fought on a card in New Jersey and even in a quick KO, I recall Ed Maloney telling me he was useless. People joke about him, but to be able to take what little God gave him athletically and be ANY KIND of decent HW, much less a belt holder, took some effort that I only wish a bum like Arreola could display 20% of.
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Post by mh2365 on Aug 17, 2010 17:41:19 GMT -5
The only chance Arreola has is if he gets a new training team. I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe Goossen take him over completely
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 17, 2010 18:05:24 GMT -5
The only chance Arreola has is if he gets a new training team. I wouldn't be surprised to see Joe Goossen take him over completely This Henry Rodriguez is part of the Problem, it's one thing for Arreola to delude himself into thinking he's ready to go, but Henry is always right over his shoulder and saying the same things. What prospect is that he also Trains, I saw him in their corner not that long ago? Is it Mikey Garcia? Anyway, when I saw Henry in his corner and first thought was "Wow, this guy hooks up with someone good, and he's REALLY going to be something" |
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