I sure missed that one!!!

[billyc]

These days Promoters don't promote, managers don't manage and fighters don't fight.... what we have is built up fighters on networks who buy into them and then when the fighter loses....they ALL burn....and then they say boxing is dead. Guys like Fayweather have ruined the sport because they have set the tone and the bar....keep your 0 and you will make the money....that is NOT what boxing fans really want. We want good fights. I just wish that boxing people made the decision for boxing instead of the suits or bean counters.

[davemurphy]

In the end, the only thing that's gotten better in Boxing over the last 10 years has been the hype. Andre Berto will be the next to lose his zero when he takes on a truely serious test, and it'll be seen as a giant surprise.......to the suits. Even the presentation of it sucked, the story of the night SHOULD have been a nice victory by Jean Pascal, but instead became a what happened to Chad Dawson negativity. Anything positive about the sport gets buried on the back page. Every once in awhile a Ward-Gatti or a Corrales-Castillo happens along and reminds me why I'm still a boxing fan.........I'm about ready for a booster shot, but I don't trust the people running the sport to provide me with one anymore

[billyc]

I hear you man. I am almost ready to toss in the towel myself!

[davemurphy]

Aug 17, 2010 4:08:55 GMT -5 billyc said:

I hear you man. I am almost ready to toss in the towel myself!

No Sport could EVER be mismanaged as bad as ours has been, I remember you started asking about a year or so ago when I first got on here, "Do the people that run our sport even LIKE Boxing?" but you don't even ask that anymore, the answers too obvious that they DON'T.

[billyc]

LOL...true. Its funny really...I talk to promoters all day and hear the same BS...we want to do this and we want to do that...but they froget that like anything, what you put IN, you get out. They all do not want to put in. If it costs extra...no. They invest in fighters no to position them for a shot...NOT to win, but for a SHOT. Why? Because they can cash out at the shot and then from that point on, its all profit. Hey..I am all for making a buck, but these are the same people that say its dead when they are the ones dropping the ball.

[davemurphy]

know I get on Gary Shaw all the time, but the other day he was talking about Angulo pulling out of his proposed HBO fight with Martinez because it meant giving up a chance at the MW Championship of the World and the $1 Million that HBO was going to pay.

His explanation was that his contract with Angulo calls for $750 K for a HBO title fight appearance and Angulo thinks he deserves $900 K and what a shame it was that it can't be done. Shaw then whines about how tragic it is, an opportunity lost that could've done so much for Angulo and all this Jazz....the whole time I'm thinking how the Networks $1 Million still exceeds 900K, Gary

Now I KNOW that Angolu has a contract with Shaw, and I know that Shaw can't be giving in on his 25% he thinks he deserves, or all his fighters would be asking for him to take a smaller cut, but I wasn't overly impressed that he ran to the Press with it, or that he sees a 100K profit as not worth his trouble when most of what Billy C. calls the REAL Promoters would die for that.

He takes NO PUNCHES and for this one, lets face it, HBO IS THE PROMOTER, and Shaw doesn't deserve anything beyond the 10% a Manager deserves anyway (or the 100 K he'd get under Angulo's Price ). HE'S not taking any punches, he's not even putting together the fight like a normal Promoter would, just listening to HBO meet his Price. He has no dealing whatsoever with Martinez's end of it. THAT IS A MANAGER, not a PROMOTER.

For him to want a Quarter of a Million Dollars or just let a Million Dollars and a shot at the MW Championship of the World walk down the Road, to me that shows an example of a guy who places making a Buck above his fighter and CERTAINLY above the Sport.