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Post by Daxx on Dec 30, 2011 6:48:39 GMT -5
Billy wondered if it matters to fans that the WBC is not sanctioning the title bout between JCC jr and Marco Antonio Rubio?
IMO no the title does not matter the WBC is too watered down....Martinez is the true MW champion period.....
Thoughts?
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Post by billyc on Dec 30, 2011 9:32:54 GMT -5
I t hink Sulaiman was the model for the Troll Doll....except he wore a red Don King wig.
I say DOWN WITH THE WBC and the shit company that makes the belts for them!
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Post by Davema on Dec 30, 2011 11:58:47 GMT -5
titles only matter for the young guys coming up so they can get their names out there. Once a title is won, the real prize is PPV fights. World title Belts are now the equivilent of the minor leagues in baseball.
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Post by davemurphy on Dec 30, 2011 15:28:10 GMT -5
Just in the last couple years, I've noticed how many fewer fans are giving a crap about the titles. It simply go so convoluted that nobody can follow it all, so they don't even try. As for the WBC, I only wish that Grachianno Rochigiani hadn't settled his winning lawsuit and instead just let them go under.
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Post by billyc on Dec 31, 2011 9:13:08 GMT -5
The value IS down on Titles...but the truth is that is sad. I still remember when HAVING a title really DID mean something. To win it, knowing you are the best is worth more when its all said and done...and of course the money. NOW...the best PROMOTOR will have the more popular fighters...thus making the most money. Does that mean they are REALLY the best?
I can't help but wonder how many world champion level fighters are out there in gyms never getting the chance to fight. I know for myself that I have a few young fighters who, because of lack of money, will never get the chance they should.
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Post by davemurphy on Jan 2, 2012 13:44:55 GMT -5
Yeah, it's funny that while other sports have become more adept at uncovering talent (if there's a potential NFL Cornerback or NBA Guard playing at the smallest Division III college, he won't go unnoticed and I don't even want to talk about at what age some of the world's soccer teams start tracking pre-teen talent), the possiblity of a World Class Boxer getting no attention whatsoever are greater now than ever before. The increased number of titles has actually decreased the number of opportunities, it seems impossible but is true.
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Post by billyc on Jan 2, 2012 17:54:46 GMT -5
yep...all you have to do is think about Sergio Martinez, Bam Bam Rios and Lamont Peterson (to ONLY name a few) and wonder how many people REALLY have ever heard of them outside nut-jobs like us!
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Post by davemurphy on Jan 4, 2012 13:01:11 GMT -5
yep...all you have to do is think about Sergio Martinez, Bam Bam Rios and Lamont Peterson (to ONLY name a few) and wonder how many people REALLY have ever heard of them outside nut-jobs like us! That some of the fighters are so delusional is equally amazing. I recall when K-9 Bunderage upset Corey Spinks about a year-and-a-half ago and won an IBF title, he was talking about fighting Mayweather or Pacquaio, and amazingly thinking he would get EQUAL MONEY  Since then he's had one shitty defense against Sechew Powell on the DEVON ALEXANDER-MATTYHSEE UNDERCARD THAT HBO CHOSE NOT TO AIR even though they did a TRIPLEHEADER(they showed Bermaine Stiverne-Ray Austin and Cloud-Mack instead). Now just how a guy who's supposedly in his mind on a par with Mayweather, Pac, Cotto, etc. deals with being 4th Billing and Off Air on a St.Louis Card is beyond me. The other day I saw he challenged Cotto following the Margo 2 win, you might have missed it since Don King could only get the Press Release on One Website that I saw. |
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Post by billyc on Jan 5, 2012 4:41:55 GMT -5
I think the problem there is King. Don't get me wrong....I happen to think King is the best promoter of all time....but of late, to sign with him means no activity. K9 basically signed with him to GET the shot at Spinks...wins....and now he has had that ONE fight since. Fear not, King's new boy is Ryan Coyne! (LOL....what a joke he is!)
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Post by davemurphy on Jan 5, 2012 12:37:03 GMT -5
I think the problem there is King. Don't get me wrong....I happen to think King is the best promoter of all time....but of late, to sign with him means no activity. K9 basically signed with him to GET the shot at Spinks...wins....and now he has had that ONE fight since. Fear not, King's new boy is Ryan Coyne! (LOL....what a joke he is!) I'll have you know that Ryan Coyne just happens to be the best boxer the University of Missouri Football Team has ever produced  Your right about King, he's never been where you go if you want to be active, and that's especially true of guys he never intended to have with titles anyway. The Ali Act crushed Don's monopoly of the HW division, eliminating his ability to tie up guys with options, and to be honest I've been surprised he's even been able to mount this little resurgence he's had at age 80. It's funny how guys will STILL fall for Don's "Act", for a short time Nate Campbell was with us on BoxingBB after he's upset Diaz, and Don was going to buy him a new Car and give him this and that fight, really filling his head up with big plans, and even Nate, who's no dummy and certainly was aware of King's Rep, still came away with nothing (Don even canceled the Car). |
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Post by billyc on Jan 6, 2012 16:30:24 GMT -5
Riddle me this: How does Top Rank and GBP get away with being promoters of BOTH fighters..and I'm not talkinig about a fight....I'm talking multi-fight deals with guaranteed fights per year etc? In 2000, the NYSAC would NOT let you do that. You could not have long-term, multi-fight deals with fighters fighting each other.
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Post by davemurphy on Jan 8, 2012 15:55:18 GMT -5
Riddle me this: How does Top Rank and GBP get away with being promoters of BOTH fighters..and I'm not talkinig about a fight....I'm talking multi-fight deals with guaranteed fights per year etc? In 2000, the NYSAC would NOT let you do that. You could not have long-term, multi-fight deals with fighters fighting each other. I'm not sure what the limitations are as far as the Ali Act, but it would seem to be a case where they're at the very least playing fast and loose with the Rules. |
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Post by billyc on Jan 9, 2012 4:37:40 GMT -5
but its the norm now....strange, huh? Maybe it was just NY at the time! (or me!)
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Post by davemurphy on Jan 10, 2012 19:07:17 GMT -5
but its the norm now....strange, huh? Maybe it was just NY at the time! (or me!) Let's see, around 2000 wasn't it still under Russo's direction, before Ron Scott Stevens came in? |
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Post by billyc on Jan 11, 2012 4:20:20 GMT -5
after Russo....before Stevens...it was a baseball guy...bu he appointed assisants who didn't know a left hook from a fish hook. The guy who really kept screwing me was Ray Locasio.
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