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Post by tontb on Jul 22, 2010 17:06:48 GMT -5
LOL
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duane
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Post by duane on Jul 23, 2010 2:29:18 GMT -5
Pacman will fight someone....fayweather will, well, fay! LOL LOL LOL.... Here's for you MH!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL..... Floyd may be fay... But Manny's handlers cherry pick his opponants, just like Floyd. They keep him outta fights so he doesn't have to look like a punk, the way Floyd looks when he finds excuses not to fight. 1)They wouldn't let him fight Mosley, even after a weight and split were agreed on. 2)Arum brushes off Badley like he's not a draw, when he had Manny fight a guy the world never heard of... Clottey. 3) And neither Floyd or Manny want any thing to do with Paul Williams.... And he would even fight 'em both in the same night for free. Manny is just as sheltered as Floyd. The only difference is Floyd talks/ thinks for himself (making an ass outta himself in the process). Manny smiles at the camera, and then does what he's told. Both of their images are very well manufactured. Why has boxing become such a joke?
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Post by billyc on Jul 23, 2010 4:05:37 GMT -5
No one knows who Clottey is? Come on, he is a tough guy. There is no doubt that his style, as cottos AND Margarito's are perfect for manny, but that is Hansen's uncle Bob Arum, who is GREEDY and keeps only his fighters fighting Manny. Make no mistake, Manny has stepped up where fayweather has not. fayweather, fayweather, fayweather, fayweather....lol.... I know you are but what am I? ?
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 23, 2010 13:00:45 GMT -5
No one knows who Clottey is? Come on, he is a tough guy. There is no doubt that his style, as cottos AND Margarito's are perfect for manny, but that is Hansen's uncle Bob Arum, who is GREEDY and keeps only his fighters fighting Manny. Make no mistake, Manny has stepped up where fayweather has not. fayweather, fayweather, fayweather, fayweather....lol.... I know you are but what am I? ? So let me see if I have this straight ... you believe every word coming out of Arum's mouth when it comes to Manny yet he is my uncle? Duane has it right ... Manny is far more protected than Floyd ... Arum doesn't want his boy taking a drug test so he has Manny fight a very limited fighter in a fight I said would be a blow out and it was. Floyd fights the #1 rated WW who was coming off a complete demolition of the guy Manny is going to fight next. Manny's match making is a joke ... he ran scared from a second fight with Marquez then was pretty much back into a corner and had to fight. Then he runs like hell from a third Marquez fight because his handlers know the style is all wrong for him. Then wow what do you know his handlers won't let him fight Mayweather who is Marquez times 10 in terms of style. Manny's handler's know the Floyd fight is a sure loss, which is why they didn't take it back in January and which is why they didn't even contact Mayweather's handlers this time. It is either that or he is dirty ... take your pick.
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Post by billyc on Jul 23, 2010 14:10:43 GMT -5
When and if they fight, put your money where your mouth is....how about that?
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 23, 2010 14:42:54 GMT -5
no problem good thing with all the Money haters out there the odds will win me lots of $$$ but you brother Arum will never let them fight
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Post by duane on Jul 23, 2010 14:55:07 GMT -5
"No one knows who Clottey is? Come on, he is a tough guy."
Billy, I like Clottey and I been knowing who he is. Don't get me wrong. But everybody I talk to about Clottey refers to him as "That one African dude" even after his fight with Manny.
So if Arum's gonna use Bradley's draw potential as an excuse to not set up the fight.... He's full of crap! I know Clottey's tough, but you can in no way make a case that Clottey was more of a draw than Bradley is now.
Arum is a lying scumbag, who is manipulating boxing to his own benifit. Havin Manny fight Cotto is just gonna have the same out come (and line Arum's pockets with more cash). As for Margarito, the guy blocks punches with his face! C'mon Billy, that's a big waist of time fight and everybody knows it. Cotto has better boxing skills, and Manny even kicked his ass.
Manny might be a nice guy, but as long as he lets Arum do all his thinking, he's just as protected as Floyd.
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Post by Davema on Jul 23, 2010 15:08:03 GMT -5
what is this you say?, "promoters protecting fighters and being scumbags"
that has never changed, both things have been true all the way back to the days when Billy C had his bare knuckle fight.
We will have honest promoters about the same time we have a true unified champion
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Post by billyc on Jul 24, 2010 8:20:52 GMT -5
Maragarrito vs PAc....who really cares about that one?
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Post by duane on Jul 24, 2010 9:17:34 GMT -5
Maragarrito vs PAc....who really cares about that one? Not I... Arum's killing 2 birds with 1 stone. Promote 2 of his fighters, and make a safe fight for his biggest cash cow... Manny. Whata freakin joke the sport has become. Ya know.... being a boxing fan is like being in a relationship with a crazy woman. You argue and fight all the time, she breaks your stuff, and don't forget the time she tried to hit you wit the car... But! The make up sex keeps you from skipping town on her ass! That's how I feel about the sport now... even though I shouldn't have said that much, but those who been there know what I mean.
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 24, 2010 10:43:21 GMT -5
Yeah this is me making my shocked face ... where have we heard this before ... Arum breaks off negotiations with Mayweather (or in this case lies about there even being negotiations) only to sign another fight hours later ...
Arum had this fight planned the entire time ... not once ever has he considered having PacMan fight Mayweather ...
There is only one person to blame for the superfight not happening and that is Bob Arum ... even a deaf, dumb and blind man (Tommy) has to know that.
Whether you hate Mayweather or think Pac is a product of science it does not matter ... Bob Arum is the villain in this story.
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Post by davemurphy on Jul 24, 2010 20:54:33 GMT -5
As expected, all the talk of Arum working his butt of to make the fight happen all came FROM Arum. THIS was his target fight all along. The funny part was discovering he was using Ross "Clueless" Greenburg as his "go between" and not actually talking to the other side directly
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Post by davemurphy on Jul 24, 2010 21:02:29 GMT -5
So who's next after Margarito, Arum needs an opponent for May when negotiations fall apart again P.S. The other side is JUST as guilty, I find it hard to beleive that Ellerbe read all this in the Press and then didn't say anything till AFTER it was over.
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Post by mh2365 on Jul 24, 2010 21:14:36 GMT -5
Both sides share some blame no doubt but this is Arum causing this fight not to happen ... he didn't even contact Ellerbe yet said they were negotiating all this time .... said Manny agreed to everything yet hadn't talked to anyone.
This is the fight Arum wanted but he had to sell it as if Floyd didn't want to fight. Arum will not risk losing to a GBP fighter ... nor will he share a huge payday with a GBP fighter. Manny & Floyd would fight in a parking lot tomorrow ... it is Arum not allowing this to happen.
If he didn't have a bunch of fighters I like I would protest and not buy his product but unfortunately I am a diehard boxing fan and am forced to deal with his shit ... if there is not a good undercard then I will not buy this fight.
An example of a good undercard is next week's PPV
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Post by davemurphy on Jul 24, 2010 21:36:00 GMT -5
Both sides share some blame no doubt but this is Arum causing this fight not to happen ... he didn't even contact Ellerbe yet said they were negotiating all this time .... said Manny agreed to everything yet hadn't talked to anyone. This is the fight Arum wanted but he had to sell it as if Floyd didn't want to fight. Arum will not risk losing to a GBP fighter ... nor will he share a huge payday with a GBP fighter. Manny & Floyd would fight in a parking lot tomorrow ... it is Arum not allowing this to happen. If he didn't have a bunch of fighters I like I would protest and not buy his product but unfortunately I am a diehard boxing fan and am forced to deal with his shit ... if there is not a good undercard then I will not buy this fight. An example of a good undercard is next week's PPV Yeah, Golden Boy has a good idea on the undercard next week, I hope that catches on. I know it won't with Arum I remember way back in 1985, going to the Hagler-Hearns Closed Circuit and the undercard was guys off his weekly ESPN Top Rank Series and Silver Medalist Willie DeWitt of Canada He's NEVER had a good undercard......and never will. I can only imagine what kind of garbage he'll try to peddle underneath Pac-Margo.
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