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Post by Davema on Aug 26, 2010 10:26:23 GMT -5
Billy C had an interesting topic this morning. He spoke of the old days and how guys did less sparring and fought once a month instead of increased sparring as apposed to guys today who fight once a year and focus on light sparring to "keep thier timing"
He asked the question, "would you fans mind if a guy who fought tomato cans once a month and mixed in a legit opponent every three months or so?"
In theory, that would be incredible and I would support that 100%.
I think the problem is that some three letter websites might take that opportunity to charge us 10 bucks for every card and we would all go broke by april each year. lol
I sure wish guys would fight more, but alas, the PPV generation, mixed in with no mainstream coverage of the sport or free tv would make it financially impossible for promoters to have that many fight cards.
I guess all we can do as fans is support the smaller shows locally. Instead of going to the ballgame one night, take Jr. to a local club show. They are usually very inexpensive and as BC says, there is nothing quite like a live bout, regardless of whether it is a "big" fight or not.
It certainly is an uphill battle for us Boxing junkies, thats for sure.
thoughts??
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 26, 2010 13:04:20 GMT -5
One thing that immediately comes to my mind as a problem with a Fight a Month schedule, and BC and I were just talking about it the other day, and that's the inablity of some fighters today to watch their Heads. Headbutts seem to be occurring more and more because guys don't know how to move their heads or take care of them. Some of these guys I see today go to a monthly schedule, and they'll be stitched up like something from a Horror Movie in less than a year  |
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Post by billyc on Aug 26, 2010 14:06:11 GMT -5
If there WAS more "monthly" shows, what COULD happen is that you would get more local sponsers, which would help with the costs. Once a monthly show DID happen, you would get more local kids that may want to box, thus increasing the pool of fighters. With an increased pool of fighters, you would need more trainers. As you get more trainers, they would have to actually learn more than the next guy so the fighters would go to him, so now, guess what, you start to get good trainers again. Once you have good trainers, the fighters will get better.
It is not that crazy, but what you DO need is the promoters that are willing to look at it as long term, and think outside the box.
The internet would be a big player, especially if those shows were available for free....now you start to get more fans outside the local area, which will open doors to those fighters to fight in bigger markets, in bigger fights, making room for the next kid.
It is not rocket science, but the problem lies in the promoter who refuses to invest money into it and the sad truth is, they are ALL like that now.
The bottom line is if we increased the pool of fighters, everything else would fall into place. To me, one way would be to have more club shows.
But that is just me.
Back to the point....I WOULD rather see a fighter fight each month, and of those 12 fights per year, have three tough ones. As far as the headbutts....I hate the rule. Unless a fighter gives you an INTENTIONAL butt, if you can't continue, you lose.
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 27, 2010 6:58:46 GMT -5
BC-
I think that's ALL the problem, NOTHING is longterm with these guys. They don't want to build up followings, they want a Champ NOW, they want to get him there with the fewest number of Padded Record Fights they can Get, and if he gets exposed and demolished, then that's somebody elses problem once they've made a few bucks.
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Post by billyc on Aug 27, 2010 15:14:53 GMT -5
YES....they cash out quick. Look at Peter, Chambers, Johnson, etc....build them up, get them a title shot....now they get the payday, the promoter and managers all get their money and then who cares....Chris Arreola too....but he is a cash cow.
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 28, 2010 10:09:21 GMT -5
BC-
The thing that often irks me the most is that in many of those cases (not so much with the HW's but more with the lighter weight fighters) the guy they're feeding easy and who's record they are padding ISN'T WITHOUT SOME SKILLS, and if they'd just go the proper route, has a chance to be a pretty decent fighter, but they just don't have the time or desire to do it right.
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Post by billyc on Aug 28, 2010 10:39:39 GMT -5
Exactly....I got an idea I will be talking about soon.
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 29, 2010 11:59:30 GMT -5
Billy C-
To draw a parallel, sometimes in the Music Industry, sleazeball Promoters will be so focused on pulling scams and fooling people on a short term scale that they'll often not even give a damn when they have an actual Talent that could reward them a hundred times more by simply playing it straight.
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Post by billyc on Aug 29, 2010 13:11:05 GMT -5
Why should they? That would rock the universe!
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 30, 2010 10:32:07 GMT -5
Why should they? That would rock the universe! Yeah, it's just funny that in both businesses, the quick Buck reigns supreme. I really think that some of these Pretend Promoters, if you asked them if they wanted a minimal Payout now or had a 100% guaranteed World Champion in Five Years time, would opt for the former everytime. Sometimes I don't think even consider the POSSIBLITY of sticking it out with a young fighter. |
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Post by billyc on Aug 30, 2010 11:57:51 GMT -5
nope. Make the money now...which is good for them but BAD for boxing.
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Post by tontb on Aug 30, 2010 22:53:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately guys business sense prevails!! When did we start getting promoters involved in the sport? Is such a person so neccesary? I mean it seems these days that a boxer cannot fend for himself outside of the ring. Surely he could decide who he wants to fight and for how much without any middle man? In recent years we've seen multiple boxers start to promote themselves, surely in the hope to make more money rather than payin a promoter. Unfortunately it seems only the already established fighters can afford such luxury! I guess it stems from "agents" of other sports stars such as n football (soccer). Agents fee's etc make these guys as rich as the footballers themselves.
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Post by davemurphy on Aug 31, 2010 7:16:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately guys business sense prevails!! When did we start getting promoters involved in the sport? Is such a person so neccesary? I mean it seems these days that a boxer cannot fend for himself outside of the ring. Surely he could decide who he wants to fight and for how much without any middle man? In recent years we've seen multiple boxers start to promote themselves, surely in the hope to make more money rather than payin a promoter. Unfortunately it seems only the already established fighters can afford such luxury! I guess it stems from "agents" of other sports stars such as n football (soccer). Agents fee's etc make these guys as rich as the footballers themselves. I'm fascinated at the number of peripheral people that go into the making of these fights. The only guy who actualy DOES anything for the fighter is the Trainer and his 10%. Paying the Promoter that doesn't actually promote, the Manager that for the most part anymore is just simply relying on the Promoter (that relationship has REALLY been blured the last decade, hasn't it?), the Organization that your supposedly representing as their Champion but charging you for the priveledge of doing so, it just goes on and on. NONE of these people are taking ANY punches. |
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Post by billyc on Aug 31, 2010 8:45:02 GMT -5
GREAT POINTS MURPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree 150%
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Post by Daxx on Sept 1, 2010 11:45:46 GMT -5
BC- The thing that often irks me the most is that in many of those cases (not so much with the HW's but more with the lighter weight fighters) the guy they're feeding easy and who's record they are padding ISN'T WITHOUT SOME SKILLS, and if they'd just go the proper route, has a chance to be a pretty decent fighter, but they just don't have the time or desire to do it right. Why should they when they can collect paydays that can keep them and their families comfortable long after they are exposed or retired....And yes you are right the guys that are getting hand fed have some skills you have to have something even to get by on gimme opp because we have all learned over the years that the guys we we don't think are a threat often become the ones to be the biggest spoilers...Perfect example is Carlos Baldomir....Fought primarily in his home country, slow and a snail comes in as a look good opp against Judah walks away the undisputed WW champion....Is Carlos the guy you think of for excitement and great fights no but he has enough in him to make any fighter not looking at him but past him regret signing the fight in the first place.... As much of an ass PBF can be one thing he says seems to be a trend in the sport..."I fight for money"....Nothing more nothing less...Floyd just happens to fight better comp due to his skill level....Others seem to do the same thing....I am sorry to say we are quickly going past the days fighters fought for glory as much as money and when they made enough money to last a lifetime they fought simply for greatness......Today fighters want to be and fight the best only if they have to and once the account has 7 digits in it they can care less in general...I would not personally mind seeing guys fight keep busty bouts once a mmonth and a top rated opp every 3 but nwhat we want and what we will get are 2 different things sadly enough even though it is the public that lines the pockets with money |
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