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Post by Daxx on Sept 3, 2010 11:24:23 GMT -5
I have talked to and been on message boards with a lot of people and for some reason the masses seem to think Ward is going to walk away with this one........
Personally I think if Dirrell boxes and does not allow Ward to use his mass advantage he has a good chance of outboxing Ward....
I give the speed edge to Dirrell and the ring movement to him as well....He also hits harder then given credit for though his speed plays a big factor in his knockouts thus far....I think the AA fight was a farce though I had him ahead...I also think that he won the Froch fight.....
Opinions on the outcome of this one?....I pick Dirrell by SD
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Post by dallen on Sept 3, 2010 12:41:50 GMT -5
Daxx i have said all along Dirrell beat Carl Froch easily,but never got the decision he deserved.I fancy him against Ward as you state Daxx he has speed and skill on his side,Dirrell by UD.
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Post by davemurphy on Sept 3, 2010 18:30:26 GMT -5
One thing that might be significant, I was looking at Ward's 22 fights and I see he's only faced 2 Southpaws, with the last one, Andy Kolle, being 4.5 years ago. I know he had a extensive Amatuer background and assume he fought several Southpaws there, but that's not the same as facing an Andre Dirrell in a 12 Round fight. Hope he lines up some good Lefties in Camp.
HOWEVER, I STILL like Ward in this Fight. I think he's a better rounded fighter and also a bit more consistent throughout the fight (Dirrell seems to run hot and cold within most of his fights that I've seen).
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Post by Daxx on Sept 3, 2010 18:47:22 GMT -5
One thing that might be significant, I was looking at Ward's 22 fights and I see he's only faced 2 Southpaws, with the last one, Andy Kolle, being 4.5 years ago. I know he had a extensive Amatuer background and assume he fought several Southpaws there, but that's not the same as facing an Andre Dirrell in a 12 Round fight. Hope he lines up some good Lefties in Camp. HOWEVER, I STILL like Ward in this Fight. I think he's a better rounded fighter and also a bit more consistent throughout the fight (Dirrell seems to run hot and cold within most of his fights that I've seen). I thought the same thing Dave as far as the hot and cold thing but for some reason that is why I think that Dirrell is being looked at a bit too lightly in this...I think after Taylor he was considered the second weakest link in this tourney and since Taylors departure I think he is/was still looked at as the second weakest link after Green......Likie I mentioned the AA fight was something not right...was he hurt as bad as he allowed them to believe or was it just a way of saying "Hey you F***** me by fouling me so I might as well get full festives out of it"....I don't like to think that about a fighter of Dirrells caliber but that has been debated here before and everyone seems to have a bit of a different opinion not only here but other places as well..... With that being said....again as mentioned before if Dirrell makes sure he does not allow the bigger physically in bulk term Ward to use that to his advantage and box for 12 rounds I see him winning this....They have sparred together many times in the past and know each other quite well....The advantage to Dirrell is the speed and the way the guy can move at times...He avoids shots perhaps like no one else in boxing when at his best.... In the end when the SS or Fab 4 is over it all boils down to who gets their ass kicked by Bute  |
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Post by davemurphy on Sept 4, 2010 9:54:42 GMT -5
Daxx-
I perfectly understand your thinking, as far as Dirrell being seen as the next weakest link for the entire tourney now, and even the AA "win" raised some big questions about him, fair or not. The thing about that one is that I think Abraham took Dirrell lightly (IMO), I really don't think Abraham had his head screwed on right heading into that fight, and he seemed to fight most of the fight as if a KO was some kind of pre-ordained certainity, just fought a HORRIBLE fight IMO. I hate to discredit Dirrell, but I simply thought we were seeing a 110% Andre Dirrell with his Back against the Wall with his First Stage Loss against a 75% Arthur Abraham that didn't expect the fight he got.
For this one, I think it's that familiarity, the many rounds sparring together, that will prevent Andre Ward from taking anything for granted, but like I mentioned earlier, I'm still not so sure that Dirrell's being a Southpaw isn't at least some advantage despite their familiarity with each other. I like the fight, I just hope they can work out their differences and get it done.
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Post by Daxx on Sept 4, 2010 10:15:10 GMT -5
Daxx- I perfectly understand your thinking, as far as Dirrell being seen as the next weakest link for the entire tourney now, and even the AA "win" raised some big questions about him, fair or not. The thing about that one is that I think Abraham took Dirrell lightly (IMO), I really don't think Abraham had his head screwed on right heading into that fight, and he seemed to fight most of the fight as if a KO was some kind of pre-ordained certainity, just fought a HORRIBLE fight IMO. I hate to discredit Dirrell, but I simply thought we were seeing a 110% Andre Dirrell with his Back against the Wall with his First Stage Loss against a 75% Arthur Abraham that didn't expect the fight he got. For this one, I think it's that familiarity, the many rounds sparring together, that will prevent Andre Ward from taking anything for granted, but like I mentioned earlier, I'm still not so sure that Dirrell's being a Southpaw isn't at least some advantage despite their familiarity with each other. I like the fight, I just hope they can work out their differences and get it done. Get it done is the KEY word Dave since these days that seems to be the issue in this game with big fights.....I do agree with the AA not being at his best assessment...During the fight I was saying to my friend AA does not look like himself.....Yes I think he may have come in over confident expecting the stoppage...When this all started I picked AA to win it all the guy is a great fighter IMO AA in a top 15 P4P....Slow starter but when he puts on the gas he takes care of business like few in the game |
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Post by davemurphy on Sept 5, 2010 11:44:53 GMT -5
Daxx- I perfectly understand your thinking, as far as Dirrell being seen as the next weakest link for the entire tourney now, and even the AA "win" raised some big questions about him, fair or not. The thing about that one is that I think Abraham took Dirrell lightly (IMO), I really don't think Abraham had his head screwed on right heading into that fight, and he seemed to fight most of the fight as if a KO was some kind of pre-ordained certainity, just fought a HORRIBLE fight IMO. I hate to discredit Dirrell, but I simply thought we were seeing a 110% Andre Dirrell with his Back against the Wall with his First Stage Loss against a 75% Arthur Abraham that didn't expect the fight he got. For this one, I think it's that familiarity, the many rounds sparring together, that will prevent Andre Ward from taking anything for granted, but like I mentioned earlier, I'm still not so sure that Dirrell's being a Southpaw isn't at least some advantage despite their familiarity with each other. I like the fight, I just hope they can work out their differences and get it done. Get it done is the KEY word Dave since these days that seems to be the issue in this game with big fights.....I do agree with the AA not being at his best assessment...During the fight I was saying to my friend AA does not look like himself.....Yes I think he may have come in over confident expecting the stoppage...When this all started I picked AA to win it all the guy is a great fighter IMO AA in a top 15 P4P....Slow starter but when he puts on the gas he takes care of business like few in the game Yeah, I really thought he convinced of a KO at any point of his choosing, and also wasn't that impressed with Dirrell when he saw him fight Froch. Abraham had the look of an extremely overconfident fighter to me, but I will give Dirrell credit for fighting a good fight that night, and not simply blame everything on AA's attitude. I wouldn't mind seeing a rematch, either in the remaining S-6 or even one signed Post S-6, which would be a pretty lucrative matchup. |
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Post by Daxx on Sept 5, 2010 14:58:30 GMT -5
That would be a decent draw especially with all the drama from their first bout, in the Edison rematch he played no games wanting to show in the first fight Miranda caught the draw of breaking AA's jaw to last the distance.....I think in a Dirrell rematch he would come in a whole different version then he was in the first...Then again we may see a better version of Dirrell
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Post by davemurphy on Sept 5, 2010 23:04:38 GMT -5
I totally agree that we'd see a much different Abraham in the event of the rematch. Not sure if it would translate into a better result, Dirrell is a young guy and certainly capable of maybe upping his game and still emerging victorious, but what we wouldn't see is a AA that's looking at a Knockout as inevitable, which is what we got last time out.
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Post by Daxx on Sept 6, 2010 14:27:44 GMT -5
I think AA would walk him down and thow more earlier...Dirrells biggest problem to me and it was actually mentioned in his AA fight by announcers crediting him for it and that is his aggressiveness in big fights...He can box with the best of them and has a decent KO% but seems he does not engauge enough when he should......I may be alone but I think AA is the and I said it when the S6 started most dangerous fighter in the tourney...
Sadly enough what would have been something GREAT for all of boxing and seemed to be something that was catching on with other divisions now falling apart will it discourage other's from trying something similar?
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Post by davemurphy on Sept 7, 2010 8:37:32 GMT -5
Yeah, sadly I think the damage has been done, because even if we do manage to get through the Super Six and reach a conclusion, the troubles along the way are going to be enough to discourage Showtime or someone else from trying another one  |
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Post by Daxx on Sept 8, 2010 9:09:52 GMT -5
There were too many big Egos involved in this one in my opp....I mean even on 360 you had an idea that things would go wrong somewhere down the line while the promoters would get together..If there was ever a promoter I would like throw a shoe at (Seems to be the in thing to let people know you dislike them in the world today) is Mick Hennessey...Bitch Bitch Bitch Bitch is all he ever does...As if the tourney was FROCH then the rest..Froch started stating he would pull out if not fighting in England Vs AA and it just went sour from there..The Taylor thing was something easy to get over though they could have found a better replacement then Green but DiBella had time invested and that was his only other SMW.....The Kessler thing is understandable and even if this was made into a final 4 ASAP it would not have been so bad but just the way this was handled all around was terrible..
They took one of the weakest divisions in boxing for over a decade that when finally full of talent they made a tourney that should have been done in every division years ago and destroyed it.....You can lead the horse to water but cant make em drink I guess
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Post by davemurphy on Sept 8, 2010 13:49:05 GMT -5
Daxx-
In watching the Fight Camp 360's, the only Promoter I came away having any respect for was Kallie Sauerland. Shaw's always been a pompous a** who thinks he runs the show, but Goosen and DiBella I used to at least like somewhat, but they've come off very badly, and you already mentioned Hennessy. You end up watching those whining prima donnnas and being amazed we've gotten as far as we have with this.
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Post by Daxx on Sept 8, 2010 15:46:11 GMT -5
I ahve to agree with that whole heartedly....Sauerland always composed himself like a gentleman and businessman even during negotioations and when the rest of them are flinging shit around....
DiBella is DiBella Lou hides nothing and Lou is the same no matter where he is....
Years ago I had tried to get an interview with (To be honest I cant remember what fighter it was now) over at DBE and I ended up with Lou on the phone...He had me on for 3 hours just talking shit...Nothing bad but just talking boxing itself....I actually printed part of the interview over at saddo think it was 2006.....It was crazy, I was thinking the whole time "This would never happen at any other promotion company EVER!" The fact you end up with the head of the company on the phone during your first call looking for another interview...JERMAIN TYAYLOR!!!....It just came to me who I was calling to set up an interview for ha ha
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