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Post by mh2365 on Sept 7, 2010 17:17:02 GMT -5
After winning awards for "Assault in the Ring" Ross Greenburg is now promoting the Margarito fight by claiming that they will present the "facts" and let the viewers decide on Margarito's guilt.
Yeah and we are supposed to believe him when he says he negotiated with "someone" from the Mayweather camp.
There is no way to defend Money's recent racist rant but maybe, just maybe, he did it to try and goad Arum into making the fight.
No one from Manny's camp ever tried to make this fight ... from the recent comments from Manny maybe he is starting to see this ... let's hope so.
This fight will never happen and it will be all Arum's fault but it is trendy to blame Mayweather. Just like when Hollywood and Star Magazine told America to vote for Obama and they blindly followed.
IMO those who believe Arum are no better than those who voted for Obama ... they are blind sheep thinking what the popular people are telling them to think ... let's hope it bites them in the ass 18 months down the road the same way voting for Obama has.
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Post by mh2365 on Sept 7, 2010 17:18:24 GMT -5
;D
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Post by davemurphy on Sept 7, 2010 20:53:59 GMT -5
Thinking the rant was a way to goad Arum into a fight is a real stretch, but I think you realize that. Personally, I don't think either side wants the fight but it's been enjoyable watching Arum string us along as it it were a true possiblity while KNOWING that it in fact was not. Floyd on the otherhand might as well retire, I don't see the difference between that and what he's doing right now. Yes, I know he's fought twice within the last calendar year, but it's hard to think of a more reluctant warrior. I do look forward to HBO's explaination of Margarito "innocence" on the 24/7 though, that should be some great filmmaking/screenwriting
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Post by mh2365 on Sept 7, 2010 21:43:11 GMT -5
Actually I don't realize that ... I don't think for a second Arum wants the fight and I think Money knows that. I think Arum sabotaged the first fight because it was done until he threw out the "10 Million per pound" fine which caused the Money camp to bring in the drug testing ... and the second time he claimed to be negotiating when in reality he wasn't.
There wasn't a single point in the second "negotiations" where anyone talked to Schaeffer or Ellerbe ....
Floyd is getting the complete blame for the fight not happening despite facing better competition the last time out .... so I don't think it was a stretch that Floyd was trying to goad Arum and the Manny camp into a fight ....
Floyd is to blame also for the first fight not happening since the weight was 147 and he has never missed that weight he should have just said okay ..... but for the second fight how could he be blamed when Arum never talked to anyone who makes any kind of decisions for Money ... he didn't talk to Schaeffer, he didn't talk to Ellerbe, he didn't talk to Floyd .....
The rant struck me as someone tired of being blamed for something not his fault ..... it struck me as someone trying to goad someone into a fight ....
Floyd vs. Manny would be a one-sided fight and Arum knows this ... he will not make this fight.
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Post by davemurphy on Sept 8, 2010 13:38:51 GMT -5
Sorry, Mike, I thought by the way you said "maybe, just maybe" it indicated that you thought it a bit of stretch, I see that I was mistaken. As you know, I'm probably the biggest critic of Arum there is, and won't defend him on PBF negotiations,when I don't think he's ever had any intentions of putting on the fight either time, so I do disagree that the blame has been one sided, if that were the case then people wouldn't be disgusted with BOTH sides the way they are.
It does seem as thought YOU think it's been one-sided though, can you really look at this goofing around Video and suggest it's a rant born out of frustration from getting all the blame? It's just joking around with his home boys that went way too far, nothing more.
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Post by mh2365 on Sept 8, 2010 17:37:50 GMT -5
I can see your side but I still think there was some intent on Mayweather's side with this ... even if it is just to piss Manny off enough to the point he realizes that his Promoter is the one preventing the fight from happening.
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Post by davemurphy on Sept 9, 2010 8:55:16 GMT -5
I can see your side but I still think there was some intent on Mayweather's side with this ... even if it is just to piss Manny off enough to the point he realizes that his Promoter is the one preventing the fight from happening. One thing I will say is if that's his intent, then it's probably not a bad idea to get Manny's attention directly. When the so-called "negotiations" (if that's what you want to call Arum supposedly using Ross Greenburg, if he even did) broke down and Arum had already told us his deadline had passed and it was all but Margarito, we STILL heard some statements from Manny saying he hoped Mayweather would take the November Date. At that point, it occurred to me that Manny is the LAST GUY to get the Memos. People ten thousand miles aren't just talking for him, but they're leaving him in the dark while doing so.
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Post by mh2365 on Sept 9, 2010 15:25:19 GMT -5
Yeah Manny is probably the only one with almost zero blame in this whole clusterf*** because I don't think he has anything to do with who he fights.
I think the most telling point was after the Margarito fight was signed and all the negative media hit Greenburg came out and said both sides were in on the negotiations but he refused to say who he talked to from Mayweather's side ... if he had talked with Schaeffer or Ellerbe he would have said so
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Post by davemurphy on Sept 10, 2010 9:18:38 GMT -5
Yeah Manny is probably the only one with almost zero blame in this whole clusterf*** because I don't think he has anything to do with who he fights. I think the most telling point was after the Margarito fight was signed and all the negative media hit Greenburg came out and said both sides were in on the negotiations but he refused to say who he talked to from Mayweather's side ... if he had talked with Schaeffer or Ellerbe he would have said so Yeah, that was odd, but it was equally strange that the whole time things were supposedly being negotiated, at least that's what the Press was reporting, Ellerbe didn't speak up and say "What negotiations, nobodies talked to me?". I mean, why didn't they call Arum on that until after the fact? Nothing between these two sides ever adds up, it's almost like they're in collusion to NOT stage the fight.
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